D22 dramas (2.5l 2008 model)

[jstorm]

Hi guys,

I am getting frustrated by my D22 and look for the help and guidance from the folk here.

The first issue I am having is power (or luck of it)!

I really would like to get more out of this thing and find that any where below about 1800 rpm and the thing practically stalls (what I think is also turbo lag). I am thinking of chipping and exhaust upgrade. What do you guys think I can do to up the power states and make the thing a bit more drivable lower in the rpm range?

I am not keen to avoid warranty especially when you hear the horror stories about the engines blowing up (although this is meant to be earlier versions you just never know).

The other issue is comfort (again lack of it).

I am a big bloke (about 6'1" tall plus a spare around the waste) and find the cramp cabin cabin with what I think a terrible seats do not help. I am thinking of changing the seats and like the look of the seats that ARB offer with the arm rests. Has anyone changed the seats in the D22 especially with the seats that ARB offer?

I am concerned that the wrong seat could make things worse and not better and at the price of them I would want to make sure it would work. I must say that I have the seat right back as it is and find that the seat being higher would help. The only thing is my legs practically touch the steering-wheel as it is!

I am getting quite annoyed (and in pain with long drives and those seats) with the D22 and starting to think if I should keep it or sell. I don't really want to sell it as still love the thing and done quite a bit to it now with a canopy and Black Widow Draws. I just want to look at fixing these issues and hoping you guys can help me.

Cheers...

[F6 381]

Mate if you put a chip in your car you will lose your warranty and even a exhaust could lose you your engine and powertrain warranty. Don't ask your dealer about it as he will know what you plan to do and if something does break you will be stuffed for warranty.

I have fitted a 3" sports exhaust to mine and it did make a difference to the bottom end on take off and fixed the turbo lag a bit and it rev's much better now but i also changed the dump pipe and left the cat convertor out of the exhaust system which is illegal but my choice.

The car shouldn't feel like it is stalling under 1800rpm and they do suffer from turbo lag but this is only on takeoff so you may have a fuel problem so best thing to do is take it back to your dealer and see if they can resolve it first. If they cannot then take it to an offroad place like ARB and explain to them what is going on as they do know a fair bit about 4WD and they may be able to sort it for you.

Have you sat in the ARB seats? you will find the right ones for your comfort and then just fit them. I'm 6 Foot but a skinny bloke but after 20 years as a heavy duty diesel mechanic my lower back isn't as good as it used to be so i am also looking to change my seats later on.

Just remember it's only a 2.5L and has 98kw and i personally think they are underpowered for size of the car. If you can get a chip that you can take off when it is time to go to the dealer for a service then do that and they won't know that it has been chipped and this will solve you power issues and torque issues.

My warranty has run out so i will now fit the DPchip and the 2" lift next month.

[Dave_STR]

I have driven a YD25CRD powered D22, they feel like there restricted from 3000rpm.

But in saying that, I wouldn't call 98kw and 300nm or there abouts under powered.

My ZD30 powered D22 has similar specs and does everything I want it to with similar figures. Whether it be pulling a 2t trailer or whatever.

Put a snorkel on, makes them breath better in general. The YD25 exhausts aren't that restricted, the dump pipe I think would be but thats about it.

How many km's on the clock.

Dave.

[jstorm]

Thanks for the replies so far.

I do not think the problem is fuel. It is not stalling as such just very guttless I find and you have to give it good rev's espically when 4x4ing. In saying that I probably pussy the car a bit and don't give it the juice when it requires it so it could be me a little in that I am not working the enigine. I am very use to driving what I call "lazy cars" with good power and not needing a rev here and there to move.

In saying that I do find the turbo lag quite bad and would like more ommfff on take off. I might be best to wait a little longer until my Warranty runs out (or is close too) and then do a chip and exhaust. I was thinking of even putting a bigger turbo on it one day but I think this might only make the turbo lag worse.

DAVE_STR thanks for replying as I know you have had one of these for a while and know the D22 quite well.

I am actually thinking of getting a snorkle for it and just got a quote back from Nissan $635 fitted what I thought was not too bad. I was thinking that the snorkle may help it to breathe a bit better as well. Also would it be worth getting a better air filter like a K&M?

When I was driving today to work I placed a pillow on the seat to see if the extra height would help with seating position, what a mistake. I have even less legroom with the steering wheel now. It did make the seats more comfortable though.

I think I just need to find a decent pair of seats (Espically the drivers one if nuthing else). If I knew how much this would drive be crazy I probably would not of bought the D22 as I feel I am too long in the legs to fit! In saying that I adore the D22 so I will have to see what I can do here. I do feel if I can find the right seat it could fix this big time as I just want that little bit more space (2cm or so would make all the diffrence I feel).

I should mention that the truck has done 15,000 KM's so it has not done many k's yet I guess.

[dupper26]

Mate sorry to hear your having problems with your truck. I have the same one but in a 2009 model and I love it. With the power I think you have to remember it is a small diesel engine if you want a slow truck drive a non turbo hilux or some thing like that even the 4.2 landcruiser non turbo are pretty slow I found you just have to drive them according to get in the torque range when your off road. there not a quick car by any means but after driving old hiluxs I found mine very good to drive. as far as the seats go as soon as I bought mine i went out and got a set of really good shipskin seat covers. I find the seat pretty comfy and I think the seat covers make a big differences there worth a shot because even if you do get new seats you can still put them on.

[jstorm]

Hi Dupper26,

I am happy that you are finding your D22 g8!

I am too, I just am having some issues I guess and some of that is with me being to big and tall for the thing lol.

I knew it was not a power beast when I got it, but as time has gone by I have tired of the slooowwww response from it. But as you say it is a truck and I probably have to learn better how to get the best out of what I have (at least for now with the warranty).

I actually have some Sheep skin's on it already (that cost me quite a bit) and they do help. I went sat in some Stratos seats today and they seem very good. Here is a link to there website: Stratos Seating - Excellence in Automotive and Industrial Seating

They are not cheap (about $1200 for the entry seat each) but they seem very good. With the diffrent mounting kits available it can actually sit 25mm lower then the factory seat what might be great for me. I am seriously looking at getting a pair of these for the D22 but I would like to look at the ARB seats that they do, although I think they are about $2000 each from memory.

[Dave_STR]

The YD25DDTI/CRD/ZD30DDT are very similar in design, the engine wont wear in till about 50,000km's and they loosen up.

My ZD30 powered D22 has 130,000km's on the clock, its a 2006 model so I spend a fair bit of time driving it. The more km's it racks up the better it gets.

Mine has an exhaust system, snorkel and is serviced every 5000km's, I had considered chipping mine but I am more the happy with the power mine has.

Personally I wouldn't put a K&N filter in any vehicle, a commodore or any 2wd car I would consider but not in a 4WD.

If you like beach driving do it often, everytime I put a few tonne behind my D22 it always run's better afterwards.

Fitted a catch can, better for the motor long term.

Dave.

[karljanz]

I also have a 2008 D22, After driving an xr6 for three years before getting the bug and having to have a 4X4, I noticed the power difference and in particular the lack of power on take off, especialy on hill starts.
However I found I am more relaxed driving as I feel I do not have to race around in traffic.
I fitted an safari snorkel and noticed no improvement what so ever, In june I fitted a DP chip and instantly noticed the increase in power which is better but does not effect the turbo lag time. The DP chip is set as it came from the factory in position 5. It has 10 positions 1-10 , with 10 being the highest.
The most noticable benifit is the increased torque which in my opinion is more important than power. and means I can stay in fith and rarely change down for hills
The chip takes 5 minutes to fit and I will take it out before I get it serviced next.
I also found that I got used to the additional power very quickly and still wanted more.
Off road I need to go everywhere in low range when the bigger 4wd are still in high range, however I have followed patrols and landcruisers up some big hills in the right gear and sometimes outdone them due to weight and tyre choice.
I love my nav even though it looks like a toy against some big cars, it is still a very capable beast

[jstorm]

Well after much thought and consideration I have decided I will sell my D22.

My question is now if I sell it private what could I get for it?

It is a 2008 D22 bought in November and it has a ARB canopy, Black Widow Draw system and Thumper battrey in the rear for a fridge.

Also where is a good place to advertise this?

Cheers...

[dupper26]

car sales is probs the best IMO sell it private you should get pretty good money for it and what are you going to buy next?

[jstorm]

I should of posted in hear earlier but I actually decided not to sell.

I could not bear to part with the thing so still got it and now planing on getting some upgrade to make it better.

I am not sure what I will do with the seats but in time I will probably replace them.

Anyway just thought I should post an update.

Cheers...

And thanks for all the good feed back as this was one reason why I did decide to keep it.

[Evilash]

just a quick question, does anyone elses 2.5cr make a rattly noise under acceleration when cold? It's not my first diesel btw

dealer says nothing wrong so i'd thought i'd ask here with people who might actually know.

[Deejay]

Hi Evilash,

I bought a new 2009 D22 YD25 powerd Nav a month ago too and yes mine was also very load and rattly under cold acceleration too.

I started adding the 2-stroke oil (refer to a previous thread on Home) to the fuel and it quietened it down significantly at idle. It is rattly at a particular rev range when cold but quitens off once warmed up.

I'm going to change the oil to a fully synthetic this week as a mate did his new BT-50 which was also noisy and he claimed it made his seriously quieter.

They're a great ute but a bit gutless. I tried a DP Chip but have been VERY dissatisfied with the performance and customer service once I sent the chip back. I'm still waiting for satisfaction and will post if/when I get it.

Enjoy your ute,

DJ

[jstorm]

Yea mine can be a little noisy as well when I first start it up but after a minute or 2 it seems to settle down. I was told my the dealer it is normal on this model and is ok.

Intresting about your experiance with the DP chip. I was seriously looking at getting one of these as on paper it looks good and just what I would like to achive.

With regards to changing oil what brand and type/weight of oil do you guys use and recommend?

[Evilash]

Thanks DJ for the input. The DPchip issue is a bit of a problem... You're not the first person to say they were'nt happy with it. I dont seem to have a power problem with my d22 but i was thinking of the dp chip for economy purposes coz im a tightarse...It's a bit of a worry coz they advertise it a lot on tv (your 4x4) so let us know how you go with it...

Also, let me know about the synthetic oil as well.. very interested, the noise is a little embarasing sometimes when you are showing people your new ute... i must admit that since the weather has been hotter it hasnt been making the noise..

Ash

[karljanz]

I fitted a DP chip to my 2008 model in June and left it on the standard, Instantly noticed more power and especially Torque, However within a day I was already used to the additional power and drove accordingly, I take the chip out when I get it serviced and really notice the power drop,
I think its an OK product but a bit rich at $1400